Until the rules change, abide by them, and make sure you self monitor. Now I am only minutes away from completing my first flight medical form without any worries! It is so easy for those not flying professionally to prescribe stricter rules for those that do. Any help would be greatly appreciated thank you. The FAA medical certification process starts when you fill out an electronic application in MedXPress. Your family and friends consider you more important than any flying you may do. its the government way. In everyones childhood years a lot of people are diagnosed with child Asthma so come on people who is the one really lying here YOU ARE. I suffer from multiple personality disorder, but all of the voices affirm they are qualified pilots. They may only get 3rd class, but they are flying with strict guidelines on preflight accu check, inflight accu check, etc. The message the FAA should be sending to pilots in my opinion is Manage your health. Until the rules change, abide by them, and make sure you self monitor. Takes the wind out of your sails. If your application passes AMCDs scrutiny, the certificate your AME issued will remain valid for a period of time determined by your age and the type of certificate you applied for. They are busy guarding the barn only after the horse is back inside. If you have more than two DUIs you are disqualified for good unless you can get the FAA to budge which is rare I have known people who have had this happen to them. If you have a disqualifying medical condition, say unexplained loss of consciousness, you cant fly. So why are private pilots singled out for this rediculous harrassment ? I mean no offense, but other adults telling another adult whether or not to disclose something on a medical just doesn't seem right. Due to the self-reporting nature, the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical aren't very high. Free health screenings, nope, wont do those, might turn up something (whether correctly or incorrectly) that could end up costing me a fortune to deal with. I think that FAA should be concerned about this difficulty in people. I have to say, this doc was thorough, checked everything, but, when he saw that attachment with all that exposure, he looked at me in a way like what is all this. And, actually, the FAA is making Special Issuance less of a problem for certain diseases. but that wasnt good enough for the FAA, they require me to spend a pile of money EVERY YEAR to get a SI, and then it takes Oklahoma City 3-4 months to okay it while I sit effectively grounded (adding insult to injury!) Pilot medicals are in the news again, with a proposal by EAA and AOPA to let more pilots use a drivers license for their medical. Or have a child die and see a counselor of any sort. Hell no. One assault charge, not so much. That would translate into 45-50 deaths a year. With a second class medical, itll be 12 calendar months, and if you start with the third class medical, itll be for 24 calendar months. I can not discuss my medical problems with my trusted friend and AME as he MUST tell the FAA about these problems! If you dont take a medication NOW, it does not need to be reported. Given how stress, marriage pressures, work distractions, fatigue and the hopelessly useless pee in cops cut, phony eye exam work, the self certification (which good pilots do anyway) and lack of medical accident experience with LSA, the fat, useless, overpaid FAA administrators should just go away in favor of drivers license. The other is you tell the FAA about something. PLEASE HELP What Are the Chances of Getting Caught Lying on an FAA Medical? Having spent over 10k learning to fly I was advised at my medical I had LBBB. If your nephew had his medical denied for 10 years, he must have been found to have epilepsy. The Dr. the agency recommended was an AMI. Now that I have no further problems I have to take an Awake and Alert test annually. Yes, I lie about the counseling part. I was not asked or tested for alertness. If they have any concerns about your eligibility to hold a medical certificate, AMEs can also deny your application or defer your certification to the FAA for further review. When that happens, your whole medical history will come under review. Now a question: Should 80+ year old pilots with type II diabetes, hypertension, a coronary artery stent or two, on 3-4 medications be allowed to fly a 6000# gross weight airplane with 5 passengers up to 14,000 feet, VFR or IFR without having had a medical exam by an AME? It is already hard enough to convince the FAA that you are healthy enough to fly after dealing with lifes curve balls. Two years later fifty percent of the same Medical Board had differences of opinion, and being naturally frustrated I decided to visit UK, and was told by specialists there that systolic heart murmur does not prevent me from flying. Coronary heart disease that has been treated or, if untreated, that has been symptomatic or clinically significant, Disturbance of consciousness without satisfactory explanation of the cause, A personality disorder that is severe enough to have repeatedly manifested itself by overt acts, Transient loss of control of nervous system function(s) without a satisfactory explanation of the cause. It was less rigorous than a regular over 40 physical, so I took one of those too. At worse, you may face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. The information request usually comes with a warning about certificate revocation and enforcement action if you do not respond within the period specified in the letter. So, I can only assume that the FAA will see it so there is no question about having to report it myself. Most major airlines are in negotiations at this time, and many are contentious. Drowning deaths 2400 Thank you for the advice and expertise Sir, you just saved me a $50.00 discussion appointment with my AME. Just like the annual inspection on the aircraft, when it was signed off everything was supposed to be airworthy, what happens after that is anyones guess. There is no rule to disclose insulin dependence for a drivers license and a drivers license, not a medical certificate, is all that is required to fly as a sport pilot. will most definitely warrant deferral by the AME and evaluation of your eligibility for a medical certificate by the FAA. On the other hand, the FAA medical system is complex, expensive, and difficult to support with data showing lives saved, etc. I can understand, in the last 5 years, but most of my things are now 20 years old and I still have to report them-no change. As one previous poster mentioned, why not let the AME make more of the calls, especially for class 3? Im an AME. Multiple assaults or domestic convictions might indicate some psychiatric disturbance that requires looking into. astronaut training. 2. Good guy, good doc, been at it a long time, Im healthy and got my 3rd class. There is a good chance you can hide some minor medical problems or even some major ones that you recovered from years ago. The states set the standards for driver licenses and the Feds set the standards for pilot medical certificates and pilot certificates. I understand why a lot of this stuff, like the sport pilot initiative, takes so long and always falls short, but cmon, this one is easy and its gonna bite them in the ass. For airmen, this, like so many other aspects of aviation, is a judgment call'but one that also gets tangled up in personal ethics. Parasailing. A trip to the pulmonologist to see if you have sleep apnea and subsequent CPAP will make you lose the ticket for a long time until you have jumped through very lengthy and expensive FAA hoops. In our experience, only a small minority of pilots actually try to maliciously conceal significant active medical problems. and moved on to checking the no column for the rest of the page. As for lying on the medical form, lies can be undiscovered for a lifetime of flying, but if there is an incident or accident, the FAA and/or NTSB will dredge up every doctor visit, medication, hospitalization they can. How about an 83 year-old on medication for type II diabetes, depression, and senility taking medication for all 3 problems? The AME is there to help you get a medical LEGALLY when you have one or more disqualifying conditions. Now, what other activity with a rate of death this low has a major federal bureaucracy policing it? Further more, if an airman lies and is in a serious accident with injuries or fatalities, his entire medical history will be examined and subsequent legal action may not be beneficial to his or her heirs. I am going to start a letter campaign to ask the people who can make this happen (our elected officials), to get behind it and make it happen quickly. Certification of employees to preform tasks, medical and eye examinations are normal in the Aerospace industry. Just curious, as I am considering it and wondering about others experiences. Is Medical Coding The Same As Medical Transcription? Everyone should say they have been dizzy. I was an investigator for the CIA from 2001-2006 and armed security for CIA facilities for 4 years after that. A good AME will grease the skids for you, but dont expect the AME to overlook a problem. According to Pilot Self-Grounding Requirements (CFR 61.53), pilots have the duty to ground themselves and report to the FAA any changes in their medical condition before they are able to fly again. Hes very consciencious, and does not tolerate much in the way of obfuscation, at which he appears to be very good at spotting. Until recently, a new pilot who had prostate cancer 10 years ago and has no evidence of recurrence had to jump through a bunch of hoops, and might have required special issuance. Question 19 speaks to visits to healthcare professionals within the last 3 years. If on this question, an applicant identifies that he or she has been to see his or her doctor for treatment of ADHD, this will likely warrant deferral. It can also ensure you keep flying for years to come. After 30 years without a problem, one would think the risk of incapacitation is no greater than the general pilot population flying on a normal class III medical. TH REASON IS FOR INJURIES I RECIEVED WHEN MY 01 LANDED WITH OUT A RUNWAY. People, in general, are in better health than they were 20-30 years ago, largely by not smoking, watching their weight, eating less fatty foods, etc. Keep in mind that the FAA receives something like 430,000 8500-8 each year. For over 50 years, pilots turned to Richard L. Collins for his unique perspective on the challenges and rewards of flying light aircraft. What will actually happen if you are caught lying? The FAA gives final denial to only 0.01% of applications. The truly dangerous people are those that make impulsive decisions while in a dire mental health state brought on by outside factors. All FAA medical certificate applicants are required to acknowledge that warning before submitting their application in MedXPress. His point is that no one requires commercial Im not saying I have a medical cert, but if I did this is what I would do. He never lied. If you can afford to own or rent an airplane, you can afford to pay an AME. There are two schools of thought on this issue: 'If you wanna fly, you gotta lie' versus 'honesty is always the best policy.' If you are stupid and want to wait months for a medical waiver. Needless to say, I dont have my class 3 medical now. If I have a bad cold, or whatever, I will DQ myself for flight, even if such action results in a profound economic penalty for me even though I have a valid First Class Medical. Taint worth messing up folks. What most folks dont realize is that less than 1% of medical applications are denied whether it be for diabetes or criminal record. How does the FAA find out what medications you are on? Fly with a friend and share expenses, help a youngster learn to fly and let them fly you around in your plane. The Federal Aviation Regulations and U.S. law require that FAA Form 8500-8, the application for a medical certificate, be filled out completely and truthfully'or else. That is when the truth will come out. They have little to do but think up new restrictions, all under the banner of safety. All medical certificates are valid for 60 months, unless youre 40 or older the day you get it (then its 24 months). Unfortunately, nuts-deep in lighting nowwhoo.. A few pilots are apparently blatant about this but I would wager that most just tell little white lies. Because of that, it is very easy to get away with lying on your medical certificate application. Bury the third class in favor of drivers licenses, who cars come with inches of mine, go against lights, etc. Nonetheless, the posts are very short for novices. Thank you for allowing me to share. It is important to point out, according to the AOPA, there have been no accidents related to pilots self-certifying and flying under the Sport program, and many of those pilots Im sure, were under the same misconception as me! Ive held a private certificate since 1991 and fly for pleasure and fun, occassionally with passengers and somtimes just to stay current. I dont know for a fact other pilots lie on their medical, but pretty sure some I know do. They yanked my 3rd class one time, because my personal physician mistyped a statement on his annual letter to the FAA. Hmm cant spell worth a darn mostly dumb fingers will that get me rejected??? I am working on my private pilot license and I was honest and admitted to an episode of seasonal depression treated with medication (which I no longer require or take). FAX your completed Request for Airman Medical Records Form to (405) 954-9326. How do I get a copy of my FAA written test? However, I also think that the standards for commercial and airline pilots should be more stringent. or special licenses for either of those vehicles if they are used recreationally (with the exception of a written test for air brake endorsement, if so equipped). File closed. Died of a massive heart attack. Flying is no more dangerous than driving when properly trained. One may invoke Fifth Amendment rights, but not outright lie. With over 20,000 hours of real world experience, much of it in Cessna 172s and P210s, Collins wrote about safety, weather and air traffic control from first-hand experience. Both have risks. Any law or rule, which is widely viewed by those subject to its enforcement as being unfair, unjust, capricious and arbitrary, because it has no basis in fact, will be disrespected and thus unenforceable. Therefore, I lied. Information on the certificate will be populated from data that has been entered into the electronic form. I on the other hand can only fly sport and do when I can find a plane to rent. Insurance companies now have a way out of paying the claim and if there were passengers or other property damage involved now lawyers get involvedsomething to think about! Also my flight instructor was telling me that he knew an applicant who lied about his criminal history for shoplifting and two to three months later the FAA found out and pulled his medical currently and he did not hear back for any clearance to fly again so these are great examples why not lie. Would the FAA prefer people to auger in because they are depressed rather than get a medication. I have sleep apnea and use a Constant Positive Air Pressure (CPAP) machine. It says "last three years" so there's a one year overlap for us older guys applying for a third class. You are proceeding at your own risk. I just wonder why? We have a very good AME in our area. But, it was not the fault of the FAA, it was mine for not verifying the doctors statement before submitting it. Remember that most pilots who have lost their medicals because they lied are probably not around here to talk about it. If I wanted to continue learning to fly I had to pay to visit a nomiated CAA doctor. How do we know that health issues rarely cause flying accidents? However, if you do get caught, at best you will lose your license. It is a good thing that there are no sport airplanes to rent in your location. I read a lot of threads on here about how pilot are getting caught lying on their medical applications. Jack, petition the FAA to quit demanding the maintenance of wakefulness test. Mr. Diabetes can still legally fly as a sport pilot. Why would you need to report that? But the standards are not different. Probably, we certainly arent as full of ourselves as I was when I was a young man. Make the FAA do a special issue for every single pilot in the country. We have an entrenched bureaucracy that refuses to relinquish power and money. Oh sure they lie. Governmental overkill? This is just as important an issue as the proverbial get homeitis problem so many flyers seem to have. I had to get TWO EKGs to satisfy FAA medical! This is one of those typical government deny-theres-a-problem attitudes that eventually comes to a head when something major and catastrophic happens. What was yours for if you dont mind me asking. Flying brought some much needed joy back into my life. Theyre just scared something is going to happen in the air. The FAA will catch the application when it comes across due to the flags. 99.999999% of pilots can and should self-certify for 3rd class flying. I reported hypertension and was required to have an entire cardiac work-up within the past 6 months. He memorized the color chart. We have been contacted by major union legal teams regarding this issue. Also remember Ronald Crews 16 months in jail flying with Cape Air back in 2006 for lying about his diabetes on question 18k and then he had a diabetic seizure in flight but luckily there was a student pilot there to land the plane. Simply having an assault on record does not by itself result in denial. Is being illiterate a bar to being a pilot conquer? Ive seen pilots successfully conquer exams and die days later (in flight). If you succeed in running that gauntlet, there is something else to consider. What are the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical? Throwaway account for obvious reasons. I completely agree with you. I lost my career as an airline pilot (major airline) and my life spiraled out of control. If one does lie this is an example of what could happen facing fines of up to $250,000,and possibly up to 5 years of federal imprisonment,and certificate revocation. 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